Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: In this life, as we walk, you know, on this globe, on this third rock from the sun, where is it that we view our problems from? Ephesians2.6 says that we are seated in the heavenlies with Christ. So we have this unique advantage of actually looking down on our problems. We're not in our problems looking up like God, begging God to help.
[00:00:21] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:00:23] Speaker A: We're actually in union. And it's such a beautiful thing that we can actually just say, God, I'm struggling with this thing. We can look down on our problems. Not that the problem is this mountain. It's actually we can look down and say, what's the truth here? What am I believing?
[00:00:39] Speaker B: Yeah, that's.
[00:00:40] Speaker A: That's God's perspective.
[00:00:42] Speaker B: Right.
[00:00:42] Speaker A: I don't think it's just a light switch sort of thing. I think it's a processing over a period of time. It's a renewing of mind. It's.
[00:00:50] Speaker C: That's right.
[00:00:51] Speaker A: You know, so.
[00:00:51] Speaker C: That's right.
[00:00:52] Speaker A: God's perspective is the journey for sure. Hello again.
We welcome you to our podcast. Let's talk life.
Life is Christ. Christ in me, the hope of glory. Colossians says, how beautiful.
Many this week really need hope. I would say we all do in one way or another. But it's been a trying week for so many, for sure.
We have. We have God who offers life, abundant life, and we have an enemy, the devil, who offers only lies. And I would say, like in this past week for so many believers, it's been very easy probably to believe those lies because it often is just easy to believe lies. So we throw up questions like, why would God allow evil?
Why do innocent people get stabbed on trains? Why do innocent students get shot in schools?
[00:01:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:52] Speaker A: Why does a man like Charlie Kirk get assassinated simply for trying to have a dialogue and love on other people?
And the key question is really that we're tackling and talking about that relates. It just happens to be the next chapter, but it so relates. For what I'm going through anyways is, here's the question, is there room for emotions or what do we do with our emotions?
Should we die to our emotions? Should we ignore them? So, yeah, coming off of a troubling week and just a lot of current events and things happening. Carl, how do you process this sort of a week and maybe even how do you do it differently than you used to?
[00:02:36] Speaker B: Right.
[00:02:37] Speaker C: Well, I like how John Eldridge puts it in Wild at Heart. He says, here's where the church has really ill equipped and unprepared us because we get the idea, people get this idea that it's just us and God in life and you know, do, doing, doing my thing, raising my family or got a job or just, you know, I'm just trying to live my life. And then, and then tragedy hits and heartbreak comes in and, and then if, if we think it's just us and God, then we're going to end up feeling betrayed by God. And that's exactly how John puts it.
And so not understanding the great rebellion before man's created, you know, not understanding evil and the, the onslaught of attacks as the escalation increases for the end times. And, and, and so the question is, you know, how are we to feel? And again, I love, I love the feelings wheel that helps me identify and describe what's going on inside me. And so when you look at the shock or the sadness or the anger or the grief and it's in a lot of, it's all centered around confusion of what the questions you asked.
And it's like, no, I don't believe we're to stuff our emotions. I mean that's part of what, you know, I mostly did the most of my life, you know, stuff. Weigh your emotions. You gotta, you know, if we're strong, God's strong.
Not understanding that the text actually says when I'm weak, he's strong, you know, but yeah, there's, there's definitely so much sadness.
[00:04:20] Speaker B: And.
[00:04:22] Speaker C: How about you, man? What do you, what do you make of that? The evil. Evil that's, you know, so, so magnified and where we fit in and our emotions and.
[00:04:31] Speaker A: Right.
[00:04:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:33] Speaker A: I mean I'm, I'm 100% with you in, in my personal journey too of just really learning to, I don't know, hide. So that's why we stuff our emotions. That's why, you know, I feel like there's, there is this mentality of the day for men especially that you just have to suck it up and get over it. And I think at the end of the day that doesn't work.
Like long term, it doesn't work just to stuff it away.
I mean I, I understand like.
Oh yeah, if you have to go to a meeting and you just have to kind of suck it up and get through a meeting or get through a day or, you know, I get that.
[00:05:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:12] Speaker A: But I think that there's an approach to where we need to also deal with the things that we're feeling and be able to process those things with God, with others.
[00:05:22] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:05:23] Speaker A: That are godly.
[00:05:24] Speaker C: Good words.
[00:05:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:26] Speaker A: So I think it's crucial. I think that's just a missing element.
Just like what you're saying. John Eldridge is saying. The church, it really hasn't equipped. And you and me.
[00:05:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:36] Speaker A: Part of that.
[00:05:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:38] Speaker A: Because. Because we were so busy stuffing our emotions.
[00:05:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:41] Speaker A: All we could tell everybody else to do was the same thing and just keep fighting. Keep up. Keep up the good work and keep fighting.
[00:05:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:49] Speaker A: That's all. That's all we could really do to encourage.
But things need to be processed. I think that it's really. These unchecked or unprocessed emotions are what's leading to a lot of this evil. Nobody is taking the time to walk through things with these young people, and they're so far away from really understanding the truth because they've just been. I don't know, there's just so much hurt and you keep stuffing it away.
You're going to go to where somebody's going to give you the approval that you're looking for and it might not be good, and many times it's not.
[00:06:23] Speaker B: Yeah. And.
[00:06:24] Speaker C: And social medias, you know, I'm not, you know, you can't find me on anything.
[00:06:30] Speaker A: Yeah. And good for you.
[00:06:32] Speaker C: I don't. And I don't have, like, secret accounts either.
[00:06:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:37] Speaker C: But what I. What I find interesting is everyone wants to know what everyone thinks, and everyone's got to have a statement. You know, pastors, ministry leaders, we all. We got to have a statement. We got to craft a statement.
People are filled of outrage and. And it's just. It's what I see. What I see, Zach, is that it's. We long for connection, and social media is a tool that we have, as a society, have gravitated to, but the reality is our hearts want connection.
[00:07:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:12] Speaker C: Sadly, most of the social media is artificial and not real. Not real connection.
[00:07:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:18] Speaker C: But if you know what I mean by that.
[00:07:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:20] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. It's. It's social media, but it's not social at all.
[00:07:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:26] Speaker A: So it's very lacking and it's a big lie of the enemy.
And I think, you know, the more too, that you dial into media and social media, the more that you just recognize, even as a believer, like, we live in a fallen world full of sin and death and suffering.
And if I'm. That's all I'm soaking in and. And instead I'm. Of me learning to. To truly know.
And I think that's. That's a key. That's been a key word, like knowing. It's. It's not just A knowledge. It's a deep, intimate, personal, relational, experiential understanding of our victory in Christ. And when, when we can stand and we can. We can know that and know who we are, then we can face this wicked world in light of God's reality, we can see through a different lens. And so it changes even how we relate emotionally when emotions come very heavy.
[00:08:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:30] Speaker C: And again, we are creating his image. We're creating the image of God.
You know, John Elmer says this, this is where we start, not with, not with sin, but with creating his image, which was before sin.
[00:08:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:44] Speaker C: You know, and so, so if we're creating his image, how are we created? Well, free will, intellect and emotions and.
Yeah, that's the, that's the great.
A great misunderstanding or a less developed part of a lot of us is expressing emotions healthy. You know, usually it could come out just in anger. Acting out or acting in, you know, bursting out in anger or just being silent and not. And being afraid to talk or not having a safe person to process things with.
[00:09:19] Speaker A: Yeah, Just the word vulnerability, I know, has been a word for you in these years, and that's a, that's a frightening word for most men.
[00:09:29] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:09:30] Speaker A: And I think that's a word that we just stay far away from.
[00:09:34] Speaker B: Right.
[00:09:35] Speaker A: But it's only when we can really process things and be real with ourselves, with God or with trusted people that it's. I think it's important.
There's got to be a time when you can actually just send that text to say, you know, I'm struggling today.
[00:09:49] Speaker B: Yes, correct.
[00:09:51] Speaker A: And if you don't have that outlet, then it's going to be troublesome for you. You're certainly not going to be overcoming your sin. Instead, you're going to be buried in it even deeper and think, yeah, just like I was saying today, like I was working today and I saw this and I heard this and I thought this and I had so many opportunities to think. So negative. And, and, and I did. I'm not going to say that I didn't. Just wasn't this positive. I love your vulnerability, but I did, throughout the course of the day, stop myself by just praying a simple prayer. God, I'm trusting you.
I don't know what all this looks like, but I'm trusting you in this with my emotions, even right now and the way that I feel. Because you know how your mind can. Can race to all the negative and terrible things, and it's like, no, God, I'm trusting you with this.
[00:10:42] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:10:43] Speaker A: And it's like Immediate, there's peace, you know?
[00:10:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:46] Speaker A: So the real reality is that am I gonna face the world's darkness in my own resources, or am I gonna face.
[00:10:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:56] Speaker A: The world with the resource? Who's in me? Jesus Christ.
Who's in me? He's my hope. He's my solid rock. So I guess this is another question, unless you have something else to share.
[00:11:09] Speaker C: No, I just, I think that's, that's, that's good. I just. When it comes to evil, man, it's.
It's like God is powerful enough to change King Nebuchadnezzar's heart, and yet we also see him allowing Herod kill all the baby boys. You know, we see, you see Pharaoh's heart hardened by his own will and then hardened by God for his purposes.
We see some baby boys killed. We see Moses being spared. We see some firstborn killed. Firstborn of Israel, if they were obedient to God, were saved. Jesus says, if there be any way possible.
If there be any way possible, pass this cup before me.
[00:11:50] Speaker B: Right?
[00:11:50] Speaker C: The Father's cup.
And so it's tough, man. Life. James and John, both servants of Jesus. I love this. James and John, brothers, sons of thunder, sons of Zebedee ones beheaded.
One lives to be an old man, although persecuted and isolated on an island.
[00:12:11] Speaker A: Right.
[00:12:11] Speaker C: They both, they both, you know, follow Jesus. They were both right. Used by God. And, and so it's.
It's tough, man. It's.
[00:12:21] Speaker B: And. Right.
[00:12:23] Speaker C: I think you're going to talk about a little bit later, but just God, what are you up to here? You know, can, can, can I see.
Can I see you winning? Because it's not that he's not in it.
Am I going to see it? Am I going to choose to see it? Am I going to be willing to see it?
[00:12:38] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:12:40] Speaker A: Yeah. I love that.
Thank you for those words. I'm looking at this next question and like, it's so tricky because it is really easy to step into just trying to do the right things in order to this or that, in order to understand. If you just do these things in order to be this.
Just do these things, and it's like, well, it's not really that simple.
Or actually it's simpler than that because that's actually really hard.
But trusting God is also hard. So either way we look at it, it's going to be difficult.
[00:13:16] Speaker B: Right?
[00:13:16] Speaker A: But the reality and the outcome of trusting God is so much bigger than me trusting in myself to conclude or to resolve this. But the question is, how do we live in this world? Having God's perspective, What does that look like?
[00:13:32] Speaker B: Right.
[00:13:33] Speaker A: And I think that's oftentimes what we go back to. We always go back to that word trust. I mean, we, we do need this reliable thought life. We do need this like resolute trust in God and seeing from his perspective. But how, how do we get there?
[00:13:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:49] Speaker A: And that's, that's where it's like, well, I don't really like that word reliable and resolute because is it really dependent on me?
It's not.
[00:13:58] Speaker C: Right.
[00:13:59] Speaker A: But every single time. Go ahead.
[00:14:02] Speaker C: No, I mean, Paul does say, hey, be immovable, steadfast.
[00:14:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:08] Speaker C: Be courageous, be, act like man. I think he says in one translation. Yeah, yeah, but, but it's, we're powerless with the Christian life without the source of Christ in us.
[00:14:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:18] Speaker C: If I'm, if not, if I'm not leaning on Christ in me, forget it, you know?
[00:14:24] Speaker B: Yeah. Right.
I love that.
[00:14:26] Speaker A: It brings to mind something I heard last night and I'm not sure if I'll be able to quote it quite right. It was actually about like leadership and kind of business stuff, but it was so incredible. It was about discipline. The quote was something along the lines of, you do not have a discipline problem, you have a vision problem.
And I thought, boy, that just, that relates so much, even spiritually speaking, and us trying to overcome sin.
How many times did you tell yourself, I'm just not disciplined enough, I guess, to overcome my sin, I'm just going to continue. So eventually you just give up. So, but the reality, we don't, we don't have a discipline problem, we have a vision problem. I wasn't even seeing myself properly. And so I'll never have victory if I don't see properly.
[00:15:13] Speaker B: Right.
[00:15:13] Speaker A: So it's, it's crucial.
[00:15:15] Speaker C: Wow, that's good.
[00:15:17] Speaker A: So I was processing some of this and I have, you know, I renovated a couple homes in Michigan.
[00:15:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:25] Speaker A: One of the major jobs that we had was to put in a whole new electrical panel.
And I didn't know how to do that, so I got some, some guys that knew and could help me. And there's so many details to that job, but one of the major things that the inspector really looks for is that you have your house properly grounded. And I didn't understand what that meant, but I learned, you know, there, there's this four foot steel spike that goes down into the ground and then there's a wire attached to that that goes back to your panel and it's like, wow, this is wild. So it's like, why does a house need to be grounded? And it's the same reason that we need to be grounded. It's our protection.
Houses need to be grounded because they can be struck by lightning. There can be surges. You can stick a fork, you know, and in a socket and get electrocuted. And so grounding it actually protects you, spiritually speaking. This is just how I was processing all this the other day.
[00:16:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:16:19] Speaker A: You know, this house, this temple, needs to be grounded. And it goes back to that word knowing. Because when the lies come, like excess, you know, electrical current, a surge or a lightning bolt or whatever, knowing who I am grounds me, and it prevents those things from, you know, really wreaking havoc in my life. We can stand firmly against those lies because we're grounded in the truth of who God says that I am.
And so I guess that what goes along with the question is, what does it look like to be grounded? And this is where I. I'm always, like, battling, like I already said, because this. This is crucial to process through and. And to understand. What does it look like to be grounded.
[00:17:01] Speaker B: The.
[00:17:01] Speaker A: The finished work of Christ.
[00:17:03] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:17:04] Speaker A: Has already grounded.
[00:17:05] Speaker B: Yes. Yes.
[00:17:08] Speaker A: So that's right. So then to follow it up, somebody's gonna say, well, why do I still get shocked from time to time? Why. Why do I still. Why can't I still have this overcoming ability over this or that?
Because I can still present myself, and you can, too. We can present ourselves to stupid is the best way, maybe to put it.
[00:17:28] Speaker C: Temporary insanity.
Who I am.
[00:17:31] Speaker B: Yeah, right.
[00:17:31] Speaker A: Right. I can still decide not to trust God. I can still try to take it into my own hands. But knowing and living from who I am, Christ's finished work causes me really to not. Not even want to play with fire.
[00:17:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:47] Speaker A: That's the reality. So I don't know if all that makes sense, but.
[00:17:50] Speaker C: Yeah, so. So. So not only is it remembering who I am, but it's also remembering who God is.
[00:17:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:56] Speaker A: That's so crucial.
[00:17:57] Speaker C: So it's. It's that vision of, all right, God, who are you, Bringing you to this circumstance, bringing you. And whatever that looks like.
[00:18:06] Speaker B: Right.
[00:18:06] Speaker C: Whatever that looks like. I love that you were honest saying, man, I was at work and having these thoughts come in my mind, dude, who. Who listening hasn't had the same thing.
[00:18:15] Speaker A: Right.
[00:18:15] Speaker C: Whether negativity or pessimistic or fear or, you know, whatever it is. Self reliance. How about self reliance?
[00:18:23] Speaker B: Right.
[00:18:23] Speaker C: You know, and self sufficiency. And so any of those thoughts where you got to stop and pause and Say, all right, stop. Stop right now. Stop.
[00:18:31] Speaker B: And.
[00:18:31] Speaker C: And I need to remember who I am, and I remember who God is.
[00:18:35] Speaker A: Right.
[00:18:35] Speaker C: I need to remember who God is here.
And it gives you a different perspective because. Because the reality. Think about this. And this is what actually Charlie Kirk said, which was. Was really cool. What's the worst thing that can happen to me? That's what he said. What's the worst thing that happened to me?
[00:18:50] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:18:50] Speaker C: And so. So if the reality is. And this is what we say as Christians, and I don't think we're going too far off topic here, but if so, you can shut me up. But as a Christian, we say, will you accept Jesus and be miserable like me?
Will you receive Jesus and be miserable? Because I'm miserable because I don't have Christ's life. I don't understand it. And so. And so. And so, yeah, I lose my train of thought here.
[00:19:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:17] Speaker C: Hold on. So. So we say, well, when I'm dead, everything will be fine. I'll be in heaven. Everything will be fine. And I love how Dan Stone in the rest of the Gospel says, wait a minute. When did I die?
[00:19:28] Speaker A: Right.
[00:19:28] Speaker C: I'm already dead.
[00:19:30] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:19:30] Speaker C: I died in Christ.
[00:19:31] Speaker B: Amen.
[00:19:33] Speaker C: Galatians 2:20, Colossians 3:4. You died and your life is now hidden with Christ.
[00:19:39] Speaker A: Yes, that.
[00:19:40] Speaker C: That was crucified with Christ. Romans 6. So I was identified with Christ in his death, resurrection. So. So I. Spiritually, yes, I was dead, and then I died with Christ. I am now alive because he rose again on the third day. So spiritually speaking, I'm alive.
And so I am one with Jesus. I'm in union with Christ. So if I were to die physically, it has not changed anything with my union with Christ. The only thing that's changed is my location.
[00:20:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:09] Speaker C: And so for Charlie, who professed knowing Christ as his Savior, he had already died. And so this physical death was a translation or a promotion for. For him, but he was already one with Christ. And. And I think there's where I can hang my hat. No matter what happens to me, to live as Christ, to die is what to die is gain. Because. Because I've already died.
[00:20:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:32] Speaker C: I'm in union. Union with him.
[00:20:35] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:20:35] Speaker C: And so I don't have to wait to heaven to experience Jesus in me. I don't have to wait to heaven to. I can't wait to see Jesus someday. No, no, no, no, no. He's in me.
[00:20:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:46] Speaker C: He's in me. And. And I'm telling you, that's the mindset that's the. That's the change where I can now bring all my circumstances. Looking at it through those eyes, that's so beautiful.
[00:20:57] Speaker A: Yeah. So amazing.
It is. I. I walk people. There's two aspects of things that I walk people through, and they're called the concept of God and the concept of self. And that's how you started that whole thing. And it's just so true that we really do. And that's the cure. I think that's the subtitle of the Cure book. Right. It's what if God isn't who you think he is and neither are you? It's like, when we can get those things right, then in Colossians three starts to make sense that I can set my mind on things above. That's how I can even go about the day, thinking, oh, I had this negative thought, oh, this is catching up to me. I'm thinking about this and it's. And I'm only like, my mind is racing and I can stop myself at some point during the day and say, God, I'm trusting you with this because I've set my mind on the things above, not on the things of the world.
[00:21:47] Speaker B: Right.
[00:21:47] Speaker A: And so I love this thought process too, of where do we view our problems from in this life? As we walk, you know, on this globe, on this third rock from the sun, where is it that we view our problems from?
Ephesians2.6 says that we are seated in the heavenlies with Christ. So we have this unique advantage of actually looking down on our problems.
[00:22:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:13] Speaker A: We're not in our problems, looking up like God, begging God to help.
[00:22:17] Speaker B: Right, Right.
[00:22:18] Speaker A: We're actually in union. And it's such a beautiful thing that we can actually just say, God, I'm struggling with this thing. And we can look down on our problems. Not that the problem is this mountain. It's actually we can look down and say, what's the truth here? What am I believing?
[00:22:36] Speaker B: Yeah, that's.
[00:22:37] Speaker A: That's God's perspective.
[00:22:39] Speaker B: Right.
[00:22:39] Speaker A: I don't think it's just a light switch sort of thing. I think it's a processing over a period of time. It's a renewing of mind. It's.
[00:22:47] Speaker C: That's right.
[00:22:48] Speaker A: You know, so God's perspective is. It's a journey. For sure.
[00:22:53] Speaker C: It is a journey. And. And it's. To be clear, this doesn't mean we don't experience sadness or we don't experience fear, or we don't. Like. Like we still feel these things, but I no longer have to dismiss them. I no longer have to stuff them. I no longer have to hide them. You know, I can allow Jesus into those places where that's where I'm feeling. And I think that honesty, man, that's. That's the best. That's the best.
[00:23:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
Right.
[00:23:23] Speaker A: Well, it's. It's the best remedy because God is relational and he wants us to deal with those things openly and honest and right. And. And. But that. That type of remedy has just kind of been squelched within our culture, and that's what's really, really frightening, I guess. But I just think, you know, like scripture over and over talks about. I'm just going to give you a few examples here.
The world's perspective is not God's perspective specifically, but in the eyes of the world, Christ's crucifixion was defeat.
But obviously God had a plan and a purpose.
[00:23:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:57] Speaker A: So much bigger than what the world could see.
[00:24:00] Speaker B: Right? Yeah.
[00:24:01] Speaker A: To the world, Peter's denial of Christ was complete failure. But, yeah, God, it was his way of bringing Peter near to the end of his own resources. I actually love the way.
[00:24:10] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:24:12] Speaker A: And then to the world, Paul's thorn in the flesh was simply an irritant, but for God, it was his way of doing a deeper work in Paul's soul. And I love that, you know, God. God is able to do a deeper work in us if we're willing to allow him to. If we're willing to trust Him.
[00:24:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:36] Speaker A: But if we're just stuffing all this stuff away and not dealing with it, then he actually can do anything in us because we're not willing.
And so emotions, you know, aren't. They're not good or bad, really. They're just there. It's kind of like a indicator to say, hey, something is up.
Let's address this thing that's. That's happening.
[00:24:57] Speaker B: Right.
[00:24:58] Speaker A: And so many people, we. We like to run from that instead of actually dealing it. Dealing with it and dealing with it is the only thing that gives us a different perspective.
[00:25:08] Speaker B: So.
[00:25:10] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:25:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:11] Speaker C: And how about this? A trusted friend to share that with.
[00:25:14] Speaker B: Right. Wow.
[00:25:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:25:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:15] Speaker C: A trusted friend.
[00:25:17] Speaker A: Right.
[00:25:17] Speaker C: God's given us the body of Christ.
So trusted brother, trusted sister.
[00:25:21] Speaker B: Right.
[00:25:22] Speaker C: To share these things with.
[00:25:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:25] Speaker A: And I. I came across Second Corinthians, chapter one.
It says verse five. There's actually so much just in this verse, the second half of it, this kind of relates to where we're at, like in our emotions and the things that have happened in recent days. And this is, you know, the God of all comfort. Is here. And. And I love how the last part of the verse says, through Christ, our comfort overflows. Yeah, overflows. I love this mindset and this understanding of overflowing. But the first part of the verse is equally. Is good because it's telling us something so profound.
For just as the sufferings of Christ flow over into our lives.
[00:26:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:10] Speaker A: So also through Christ, our com. Our. Our comfort overflows.
[00:26:14] Speaker C: So beautiful.
[00:26:15] Speaker B: So beautiful.
[00:26:16] Speaker A: So there's this union, you know, like going back to, hey, we already died.
[00:26:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:21] Speaker A: And.
[00:26:22] Speaker B: Right.
[00:26:22] Speaker A: So to think that we're not going to suffer, to think that we're not going to have emotions is. Is crazy. And everybody knows that because everybody faces them and every day.
[00:26:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:26:34] Speaker A: But man. Yeah. Our ultimate comfort, of course, is I love even the Paul's. I think it's.
I think it's in the same book, maybe chapter six. He talks about how Paul is like sorrowful yet rejoicing all the time.
[00:26:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:50] Speaker A: It's like six, ten, I think.
[00:26:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:53] Speaker A: And boy, isn't that the truth. Like, I can be sorrowful, but yet rejoicing.
That just sounds like an oxymoron.
And I will say this. This last week, Charlie Kirk was assassinated. On Wednesday. I remember because it was a difficult day for me, processing things, going through stuff. In the middle of the day came and I heard that news and it just was like. And later in the week on Saturday, I went to a funeral, an amazing, like another brilliant young man, also 31 years old, just like Charlie. So there were so many emotions throughout that whole week, but I witnessed last week also. So this goes along with this comfort, this overwhelming and overflowing comfort that God brings. I saw two incredible women, the wives of these two men that lost their lives, one to a bullet, another to cancer.
But they're both these incredible women that stood up at the funeral and then Erica Kirk stood up and shared some statements and.
And I just saw such courage.
[00:28:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:05] Speaker A: Just like a day or two later for Erica Kirk to record right next to Charlie's chair where he did the Charlie Kirk show.
Like, I don't know if I could have done that.
But. But she understood. And just like we. We are learning to understand if we're not there yet, to where. Well, may. Maybe I could do that, because where's my hope?
Where's my comfort?
[00:28:30] Speaker B: Yeah. And.
[00:28:30] Speaker A: And so it's. It was so encouraging last week to see these two wives.
[00:28:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:35] Speaker A: Lose their husband, both with two young children.
[00:28:39] Speaker B: Right.
[00:28:40] Speaker A: And to be able to stand up a joy was the. The other lady, she stood up at the funeral and was able to share for 10 minutes, the first 10 minutes of the funeral. I thought this is unbelievable how many spouses get up and share at their own.
[00:28:56] Speaker B: Right, right, right.
[00:28:57] Speaker A: The funeral of their spouse, it doesn't happen. And so I was just, I was encouraged by that. And I think that's, that's the body is. We edify and build up each other. So it's, it's really an awesome and beautiful thing.
[00:29:11] Speaker C: That is so awesome, man.
[00:29:14] Speaker A: Yeah. So what do we do with our emotions? Trust God with them.
[00:29:18] Speaker B: Trust.
[00:29:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
Don't, don't stuff them away.
So we went a little long today, but I mean, it's a, it's an important topic and important thing to understand. And so we just. Yeah. In the midst of all of our sorrow, God, thank you for your comfort. Amen.
