Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
Welcome to let's Talk Life. We are in episode 24 and we are just enjoying ourselves so much, talking life together, not just here, but with others. We are in zoom group together. We have our zoom groups with other people that we each do personally. We have our own local communities and in our homes. And it's so, so many amazing things that are happening. It's a beautiful journey. And today we are diving in to living confidently. And I'm really excited about this topic because all of my life, though, I was loved. And I was reminded of, you know, often even of the fact that I'm loved. I. I just didn't have confidence in me, which means I really wasn't fully trusting in the one in me to do his work and to give me that boost of confidence to live from. And so for me to get on here and to talk confidence, it seems really crazy. It seems out of character. But finally I'm able to live out of my true self, the new me, the new heart, the new spirit that God gave me, really like 36 years or whatever it's been since I was nine years old. You know, I've had this from that very time. And so it's so amazing to talk about this, this confidence. I don't know what you feel about it all, Carl, and how it resonates with you. I think you've already shared a little bit of that off camera.
[00:01:43] Speaker B: You know, again, this, this all started from just you and I having conversations saying, man, we should record them. We should record them. And, and, and I just, I just, you know, as you were talking, you know, to just that word, identity, that is such an important word for you and I of.
[00:02:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:04] Speaker B: You know, and even just defining identity by like, well, who. Who am I? Right, who am I? Yeah, and I think that's. I think that that's like the question that we all have in life. Who am I? And it's like, we. We want to fit in. We want to be accepted. Going back to last week's conversation about acceptance, we want to be accepted.
And so it's like, well, who am I?
And I think that that's the confidence that comes from. From an awareness or knowledge of who God says we are. And also. So not just that, but it's. And also a trust in who God says we are. I don't know if that makes sense.
[00:02:55] Speaker A: It does. I mean, because knowledge is good knowledge about something. But I mean, when I, When I'm truly stepping out in trust, that's. It's. It's evidence of boy, I'm not just believing something that I read on paper.
[00:03:12] Speaker B: Right.
[00:03:12] Speaker A: It's like I'm really believing this. It's really resonating with me and I might not even totally understand it.
[00:03:19] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:03:19] Speaker A: But I'm stepping out in faith and I'm stepping out to trust in who God says that I am. And if that's not like in reality, both of our journey, like in what we're doing right now, I mean it was a huge leap of faith for me to even resign.
Huge leap of faith to move out of state and really away from family and everything. And really all the contacts in the ministry that I could have had with all these different people.
And it's like. And when I came down to where I'm at too, it was like, I know nobody down here besides my in laws, like what am I doing Right.
But it's like amazing to look at what God has done and how he's connected me to this person and this person to this church.
[00:04:12] Speaker B: Right. Right.
[00:04:12] Speaker A: To all these other ministries as well.
And it happened because of that leap of faith. It's what gave me that confidence.
[00:04:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:23] Speaker A: It would have never been something, I guess that I would have done before.
[00:04:27] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:04:28] Speaker A: Pretty amazing to think about.
[00:04:29] Speaker B: Yeah. And my mind instantly, ghost instantly goes to how many men and women did in the Old Testament, did God tell them who they were? Right. And, and again, it's like we have all these messages, all these messages from other people, well meaning people, sometimes not so well meaning of, of who you are. And we're defined by our worst day or we're defined by our worst behavior. We're defined by, you know, and people want to label us and they want to, they want to discard us and they want. And again, even, even when someone may be listening today and has felt that right rejection or discarded or maybe we've done too many wrong things and now, you know, maybe our, our social communities around us have said, oh you're, you're tainted goods. Or you know, just think about a pastor. You know, both of us served as a local church pastor for almost two decades each. And, and it's kind of like how many times do we see this with a pastor? It's kind of like, well, you did something too wrong. So now you're done, now you're over here. And again, I felt that way. You felt that way to some level. And, and, and so it's kind of like what going back to who does God say I am?
[00:05:45] Speaker A: Right.
[00:05:45] Speaker B: Who does God say Abraham, we're going to change Your name, right? Abraham. To Abraham. Right? Jacob, you're no longer a deceiver. You're now one who wrestles with God. I mean, just time and time again, does God say, here's who you really are. So my confidence doesn't come from the flesh. It doesn't come from all these great things I've done. It comes from my Father in heaven. I think it's beautiful, man.
[00:06:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. That's so good. So amazing. So I. I pulled this. The word even. Confidence that I pulled even. Like, what are we going to talk about today? And I threw this idea at you. I pulled it out of the cure. You know, we've. We've mentioned the cure many times. And in chapter two, you know, this is what he says. He says, I will. Each of us will be tempted to return to my mask each time I lose the confidence of my new identity.
And she's coming off of an idea of, okay, I'm in this. This room, and it's amazing, and God's grace is there, and I'm. And I'm starting to see it and understand it, and it's like, why would I ever go back to putting on a mask? But then here he is putting on a mask again. And. And it's. So that's. That's really where I went with this whole thought. I. I wrote a bunch of things down over off the side of the. Of the chapter to be like, okay, why. Why do we lose our confidence in our new identity?
[00:07:11] Speaker B: Right.
[00:07:12] Speaker A: Like, I know that it's enough. So it's not to say that it's not enough to. To live out of that new identity. So that. That's. That's the question that I threw out there for us to really look at. Why do we lose that confidence?
What happens? I think a big part of it is just us just really relying on the flesh. And a big part of it is because we've lived our whole life doing it in our own strength, which is what the flesh is.
[00:07:38] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah.
[00:07:40] Speaker A: And so it's a really difficult transition to. Once I step into knowing who I am in Christ, to really give that up every single day.
[00:07:47] Speaker B: It's like operating out of trust instead of operating out of self. I don't know if that. That's a good way to. Yeah.
[00:07:55] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I think so.
[00:07:56] Speaker B: And so again, your question that you posed, why do we lose confidence in our new identity? Right, Right. And it's fascinating because you brought up the, you know, the book that we love, the Cure, and. And he. In. In this the footnote there is from Galatians 3 where Paul says, oh, foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, who's deceived you, who's who you know is before your very eyes, Jesus Christ is publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you this. Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
[00:08:35] Speaker A: Right.
[00:08:37] Speaker B: Yeah. And that may be where I was, where it says, okay, well, I received Jesus, but now it's all up to me. And it's all up to me to build a church, and it's up to me to, to do this and do that. And it's like, and, and that's sort of the, that's what we call Bible college or seminary, that we have great ambitions, and somehow through that process, we don't learn how to trust or walk by the Spirit. We learn how to manage and navigate in.
[00:09:06] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:09:07] Speaker B: Not trust.
[00:09:07] Speaker A: That's so true. So true.
No question about it. I, I'm going to jump right into that controversial thing that I said that I might say and I might not. Yeah.
[00:09:19] Speaker B: Say it. And then. Because we can circle back to this other thing.
[00:09:22] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Because exactly what, what you're saying is, you know, the statement that I was going to say is that the system destroys true grace, the system destroys new covenant.
[00:09:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:38] Speaker A: Confidence. Right.
[00:09:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:40] Speaker A: That the system really destroys us, our ability to walk in our new identity in Christ. And so it's really important, of course, to describe. Okay. What is, or define what's the system.
And I think that you touched on it already, like it's our training.
So the bottom line is, this is where I was going to go next is these two words. One of them is vulnerability. Another one is letting control or letting go of control. And those two things are not what you are equipped to understand and learn about yourself when you go to Bible college or to seminary.
[00:10:17] Speaker B: Right.
[00:10:17] Speaker A: It's. It's generally not what we're equipping people with, even as pastors.
[00:10:21] Speaker B: Right. Oh, sure.
[00:10:23] Speaker A: It's really. We're afraid of those two things, and so we stay far, far away from them. And so going back to the system, because I think it is important to define it as to what I'm trying to say, because we're not here to criticize anybody or any organization or whatever.
[00:10:40] Speaker B: Right.
[00:10:41] Speaker A: But the system is anything that we create that causes us to trust ourselves instead of Christ in us.
[00:10:49] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a good.
[00:10:51] Speaker A: That's good. There's a lot of it. There's a lot of that, right?
[00:10:53] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:10:53] Speaker A: There's a lot of things that we create, right?
[00:10:56] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:10:56] Speaker A: That really is not the ministry. So I don't know what you think about that.
[00:11:00] Speaker B: It's not life.
[00:11:00] Speaker A: It's not life.
[00:11:02] Speaker B: Yeah. And I call it, for sure, you call it the system. I might call it the machine. And again, it goes back to this model of saying I out of fear. Right. So if I tell you.
So if I tell you, Zach, to walk by the spirit, you know, if I, If I, If I. If I instruct you and come alongside you to really understand Galatians 5, walk by the Spirit, then you might not come back next Sunday. And.
[00:11:30] Speaker A: Right.
[00:11:31] Speaker B: And, and, and, and you might stop serving and where I need you to serve, and you might stop giving what I need. And so it's kind of interesting that the opposite of grace, right. It. Enemy of grace, or whatever the phrase you said, and.
[00:11:46] Speaker A: Right.
[00:11:47] Speaker B: No, no. This isn't life. Life isn't people. Jesus is in us.
[00:11:52] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:11:52] Speaker B: Not an organization or not a building. In fact, he actually taught that. I mean, he showed him that, that the temple, right. Our body is a temple of the Holy Spirit.
[00:12:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Right. Yeah.
[00:12:04] Speaker B: Do we actually believe it?
[00:12:06] Speaker A: Do we actually believe that?
It's. It's hard for us to.
[00:12:10] Speaker B: Right.
[00:12:10] Speaker A: Because we have this flesh thing that's happening all the time, and we step back into operating in anger or. Or succumbing to our lusts or whatever, and we think, well, how can this really be? How? If I'm really a new creation, then all this should be gone.
But he never says. He never says all that's going to be cleaned up and perfect in this lifetime.
He really just offers himself and just says, this is what I have for you, and you're made new. And just back to. Back to even that whole. The word vulnerability and the word control, but the other side of control, of really letting go of control, it really takes vulnerability and it really takes a true sense of letting go of that control to really be loved by God.
[00:12:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:13:01] Speaker A: And if we can't do those things, we can't receive his love. And that takes me back to even chapter one. I know that I had it. It's actually have it highlighted. It's the word humility.
[00:13:13] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:13:13] Speaker A: And then right after I have these words highlighted, it's. It's in this next paragraph. I have not let you love me is what he's saying.
[00:13:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:23] Speaker A: And I just, I came across that too this morning when I was trying to find chapter two. And I thought, man, that's so incredibly good. And we are. Because we're holding on to control, we're really not allowing God to love us.
[00:13:35] Speaker B: Right.
[00:13:35] Speaker A: Because we're. And because we're holding on to control, we're not willing to be vulnerable and real about. Listen, I'm. I failed in this way. Right. And I just need to be real with you in this. We're scared to do those things. We think there's going to be condemnation.
[00:13:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:50] Speaker A: And so it keeps. That we condemn ourselves, I think, oftentimes through that. So I know that vulnerability is like, kind of one of your key words and what you really appreciate.
[00:14:01] Speaker B: I appreciate being able to talk life with you because, again, I don't like suffering. In fact, we. We had a. My parents are in town, and we had some. Some good times last night around the table. And I was reading A Trust for today from True Face.
[00:14:16] Speaker A: And.
[00:14:17] Speaker B: And it was. You know, my dad was very honest in the moment. He goes, well, I don't like suffering. And it was like, yeah, awesome. Like, I was so. I was so pumped about the vulnerability, saying, right. Yeah, I don't want to. I don't like suffering. Like. Like when bad things. When there's. When I see persecution around me. And again, it hurts. Right, Zach, when it's. When it hurts from within. Like, it hurts from people that you, like, loved on. And. And again, it's like the same people you love are the same people that are gonna, like, kick you out and.
[00:14:46] Speaker A: Right.
[00:14:48] Speaker B: Hurts. It hurts. And. And it's like, okay, God, but if this is what you want me to walk through, to learn deeper trust. If this is what you want. This is what you want me to walk through so that I learn how much you love me and. All right, God, you know, I'll stop complaining.
I'll stop complaining and. And realize that that's what it means to entrust myself to you, father, and entrust myself to others. Right. The vulnerability.
[00:15:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:17] Speaker B: Of. Of failure, struggle.
Yeah. Right. Wrestling, huh?
[00:15:24] Speaker A: Yeah. It's hard to let those things go. It's. It's so weird because there's so much more freedom.
[00:15:31] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:15:33] Speaker A: In just. Just releasing that. Giving that to God because he's big enough to take care of all of it.
[00:15:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:40] Speaker A: And we generally like all of our lives. Right. We've believed that in a. Like, we. We read it or we were told it.
[00:15:49] Speaker B: Right.
[00:15:50] Speaker A: Right. And this is the difference, is that when you actually can step out and true faith and really just know. And I think that's a Big part of that's what I. When I meet with anybody, the biggest thing I tell them is, you know, you need to be asking to receive from God.
[00:16:09] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:16:09] Speaker A: He'll give you.
[00:16:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:11] Speaker A: He'll give you that perspective. He will teach you all things. You have the Holy Spirit, you know, that's the beginning. Point is, do you know him personally? You have the Holy Spirit. He's in you. He's the teacher. He's the counselor. He's the one that's guiding you to all truth. Trust in him. You know, you can sit here and listen to my words, and I can guide you into things, but until the Spirit really reveals these things to you, it's not gonna last, you know? Right. But when you do see, when God opens your eyes.
[00:16:44] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:16:45] Speaker A: You can't unsee it.
It's like it changes everything.
And I love this. So I went into.
Or my mind went to.
[00:16:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:57] Speaker A: And just understanding and thinking through this whole idea of being confident.
[00:17:02] Speaker B: Right.
[00:17:02] Speaker A: And I love. Well, part of it, too, was the very next statement in the book after this talk, how he talks about us, you know, putting that mask back on and losing our confidence in our new identity. He then goes on to say, daring to trust who Christ says I am, who he says he is in me, even when I feel I least deserve it. Wow.
And we have shame and stuff that just sweeps over top of us. So. But I love that word dare.
[00:17:29] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:17:29] Speaker A: He's daring.
[00:17:30] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:17:31] Speaker A: And so I. I went back to a message that I heard from Frank Freeman about Jesus walking on water. And, of course, Peter. They're in the boat, and Peter calls out to him, and he wants to walk on water, too. But the thing that Frank said is he's daring us to ask.
[00:17:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:46] Speaker A: So if I sum it all up, you know, like the. The pretty much almost, I think every version of the Bible, Peter speaks out to Jesus and says, if it's you, Jesus, may I come out and walk in the water, too? But the better translation of the word if is actually the word since. And I love this because it changes really everything.
Because if kind of makes it this question, like, God, is that really you?
I'm not sure. But since turns it into toral. Just trust. And, like, since it's you, Jesus, and since you're, like, you walking on water, and since you're, like, fully human and doing it, then I can, too. Can I come and join you and walk? So God is really daring us to ask these sort of questions. And I think that was the beginning point of my journey, too, was God, would you open my eyes? Not that I may do ministry better, but open my eyes so that I can see you, that I can know you is really the word. Because it's a deep, intimate knowing. It's not just this know about things that I learned because I went to Bible college. It's. It's actually an intimate knowing. And then I can stand and go, okay, God, since it's you, since this is who you say that you are, since this is who you say that I am, well, then I can step out in faith. And it's such an incredible statement.
[00:19:14] Speaker B: Right. And. And so the opposite, like the. Even the question that you asked, why do we lose confidence in our new identity? And so, you know, if. If I am not living out my identity, if I'm not trusting who the father says I am, if I'm not trusting who he is and who I think about, how fear can just come in, that it can cripple me, can paralyze me. The insecurities, the failures, you know, so shame is building up when I'm not trusting in who the father says I am, you know?
[00:19:49] Speaker A: Right.
[00:19:49] Speaker B: And right. Even. A conversation this morning of a Good News translation, I've never actually read it, but the Good news translation, Deuteronomy 31 and Joshua 1, you know, be strong and courageous for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go. What a beautiful phrase. Right? So the Good news says, be confident and determined. Be confident, determined. And it's like for us as believers to be confident and determined, think about the persevering or enduring. Right. Whatever we're going to endure. And it's like, why?
Why?
[00:20:27] Speaker A: Or how?
[00:20:28] Speaker B: Well, it's because of who he says I am, that he is in me, that he's living his life in me and through me, and that he's with me. And it's like, I can be confident, right. I can be Hebrews, right? Hebrews. Be confident. We can come before him. Confidence. Not out of fear.
[00:20:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:44] Speaker B: Right. And it's so. It's all Christ, right? It's all Christ.
[00:20:49] Speaker A: Totally.
[00:20:49] Speaker B: It's a different way to live, Zach. I'm like, I'm telling you, like you said, just the confidence of who we are, the confidence of our new nature. We're new. We have a new heart, right?
[00:21:01] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:21:01] Speaker B: New creation.
[00:21:02] Speaker A: Yep.
Yeah. And it's. It's so amazing, like, because I, you know, like you're saying, talking about that verse and like, we've heard that that is strong and courageous. And it's not to say that those are Wrong words.
[00:21:18] Speaker B: Right, Right.
[00:21:19] Speaker A: Because they're not right.
[00:21:21] Speaker B: Correct.
[00:21:21] Speaker A: But I. I like how you kind of described it even before. This might have been off. Off the camera, but, like, this is how I kind of sum it up is the reality is for me to be strong, that that word makes me think, boy, I better get to the gym.
[00:21:39] Speaker B: That's right.
[00:21:40] Speaker A: And I better work out really, really hard.
[00:21:42] Speaker B: Right.
[00:21:42] Speaker A: So that I can be strong enough.
[00:21:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:44] Speaker A: In order to do these things.
[00:21:46] Speaker B: Right.
[00:21:47] Speaker A: And that's not what's really being stated there. That's why I love, you know, using these different terms, because we've grown up with strong and courageous. Now we can put it into this word of confidence.
[00:21:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:59] Speaker A: Determined. And a word that I really love, too, is like, this is another Frank Friedman thing that I learned from him. He says to be defiant.
[00:22:10] Speaker B: Yeah. But he.
[00:22:11] Speaker A: He puts that defiance, he says, on the inside. Be defiant on the inside. So it's not. I'm coming against you because I disagree with you.
[00:22:21] Speaker B: Right.
[00:22:22] Speaker A: Right. So it's not just outward. Like, this is where I'm at. And you're wrong. It's just. Just know who you are, is what he said, and rest in who you are and be defiant. Like, stand on that with confidence.
And it is. It really changes everything. No longer is it me trying to hit the gym. Right. To be a better Christian so that I can run the race with perseverance. Right. It's really me just stepping into trusting in the One who is strong enough.
[00:22:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:51] Speaker A: And who is courageous enough.
[00:22:53] Speaker B: Right. Right.
[00:22:54] Speaker A: Step into the one. And that gives me so much confidence to live from. It really does change everything. I love that man.
[00:23:01] Speaker B: So that's so good.
[00:23:04] Speaker A: Daring.
[00:23:05] Speaker B: Daring to trust who Christ says I am, who he says he is in me, even when I feel I least deserve it. And the old shame hoops over me. Oh, that's so good, man. That's so good. I even. I wrote down that word dare. Right. What? God, what am I? What.
[00:23:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:24] Speaker B: What. What. What will I dare to ask you?
What am I? What am. What am I? You know, even that idea from John Owens. While the heart. What am I willing to risk? What am I willing to risk? What am I? You know that. That's faith, man. That's trust.
[00:23:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
Right.
[00:23:42] Speaker B: Out of. Out of. Right out of confidence. Out of who we are. From.
[00:23:46] Speaker A: From.
[00:23:47] Speaker B: From that. From it. Striving from that place of. I'm his child.
[00:23:51] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah.
[00:23:53] Speaker B: I'm his. Yeah.
[00:23:54] Speaker A: For sure.
For sure.
[00:23:56] Speaker B: That's amazing.
[00:23:57] Speaker A: I love it. You. You mentioned trust. For today is something that you got. You went through even last night with your family.
[00:24:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:05] Speaker A: And it's. It's crazy because I came up. I. I keep, you know, some notes of things that I just want to study more. And. And so. And of course, we were talking about this topic, and I came across this old one from January 25 from Trust for Today.
And it just. I just wanted to share a little bit about this because it talks about walking in the light. And again, this would have in the past, taking me to the point of, okay, I need to, you know, learn how to walk. Right. You know, so I need to go and hit the gym again to, like, walk the best that I can or whatever, just to be strong enough to be able to walk, what it means to really walk in the light.
But I love the way that Trust for today, they. They really laid this out because it just says this. Walking in the light is living with nothing hidden.
And, boys, it takes a lot of confidence to do that.
[00:25:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:04] Speaker A: But we can. We have this confidence because we know who we are in Christ.
[00:25:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:10] Speaker A: And so therefore, everything can be known and I can still be okay.
[00:25:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:16] Speaker A: And it's amazing place to be. When scripture talks about light, I mean, it often is really. It's contrasting darkness, the darkness of hiddenness, hiding. In Ephesians 5:13, this is where the trust for today goes. It shares this. But all things become visible when they are exposed by the light. For everything that becomes visible is light.
[00:25:43] Speaker B: It's.
[00:25:43] Speaker A: It's a tough decision to step into. Like, okay, God, I want you to, you know, know everything about me. Well, God already knows everything about me, but.
[00:25:53] Speaker B: That's Right.
[00:25:54] Speaker A: But now I'm being willing to just put this out there, God, this is who I am. And then to just, like, true face, really, their. Their definition of humility is trusting God and trusting other people.
[00:26:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:06] Speaker A: With me, right.
And, well, the me is. There's a lot of ugliness there. I don't want people to know.
[00:26:14] Speaker B: Right.
[00:26:14] Speaker A: And so that's where we hold on to that control, and that's where we keep from being vulnerable. And that's really where we put the mask back on, and we just keep hiding. And there's no freedom in that. There's so much freedom and just being able to. To live confidently in who I am in Christ. And it does. It changes everything. So it's a beautiful picture. And so, like, even this walk in the light thing, like, there's that song, right? That popular song of I want to be in the light as you are in the light. And as much as I love that song, it's kind of like the realities that leaves me going, I still want something. I still need something. I'm still desperate for something.
[00:26:56] Speaker B: Right.
[00:26:57] Speaker A: And the reality is, you know. Well, first of all, that's true. If you're in Adam, you are desperate.
[00:27:04] Speaker B: You are true. That's true.
[00:27:06] Speaker A: But now that I'm in Christ.
[00:27:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:09] Speaker A: If you are in Christ, you no longer have that need. Like, there's still a need, maybe in the flesh side of, like, I just don't feel this way. But the reality of who I am is I'm not in desperation. I'm not in need.
[00:27:21] Speaker B: Right.
[00:27:22] Speaker A: Instead, I can go to God, and instead of saying, God, I need you to show up. I need you to do this or that. It's God. Okay? I'm. I'm going through a difficult season. And so I'm trusting in who you are in me, and I'm trusting in who you say I am in you.
[00:27:38] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:27:39] Speaker A: And wow. So it's not a matter of I'm trying to walk in the light. It's I am. I am in Christ and Christ is in me.
[00:27:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:49] Speaker A: And so he's the light of the world. And guess what that means. I'm the light of the world because he's in me.
[00:27:54] Speaker B: Right.
[00:27:55] Speaker A: It's a beautiful picture, for sure.
So amazing stuff. We can live confident.
So I appreciate you, Carl, and I love talking life with you. I appreciate how we've just been able to glean off of each other. And you've taught me a lot of amazing things and even the way of bringing other people on this journey. Because for me, it's always instill. It's kind of like I want to control it and I want to make you see this. And that's not what it's about. It doesn't work that way.
That closes out our episode for today. Good stuff indeed.
